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Episode 007, May 18, 2008

Posted by exquisitetruth on May 18, 2008

Episode 007 Show Notes

Tony Ford and Jeff Pierce join Kevin this week.

This week we examine a new report from the EPA, Explore the impact of medical science on evolution, and address the question of whether or not atheism is a religion.

This week’s The Bible Says WHAT!? comes from Matthew 24:29-34


[T]he sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken. . . . They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory. . . . I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. If we are to take this verse at face value, I guess we have to assume that we are all leftovers, and the really good people all went up to Heaven a couple thousand years ago. I guess we can all stop waiting for that bus to show up.

As always, we close out the show with the Refrigerator Haiku.

Some people trickle

Only later they blossom

Always happy sleep

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Episode 006 - Sun May 11, 2008

Posted by exquisitetruth on May 11, 2008

Episode 006 Show Notes

Tony Ford and Thaddeus Schwartz join Kevin this week.

We have a wonderful interview with Jan Meshon from FreeThoughtAction.org. He shares his motivations for their current billboard campaign, some of their plans for the future, and gives some advice for local groups thinking of organizing.

We discuss rampant superstition in baseball
To close things out, we examine a new Refrigerator Haiku.

This week’s The Bible Says WHAT!? comes from Exodus 35:2

For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day shall be your holy day, a Sabbath of rest to the LORD. Whoever does any work on it must be put to death.

We also discuss the overwhelming emphasis on religion in this year’s presidential election.

As always, we close out the show with the Refrigerator Haiku.

Moon song could freeze water

When a blue woman did hear

make a small child laugh

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Do Atheists Have Faith?

Posted by exquisitetruth on May 3, 2008

Most every atheist, with the courage to share his or her views, has at one time or another been told, by a person of faith, that atheism is simply another religion, and requires just as much faith as any other. Some will argue that we can’t possibly know that there is no god. We take it on faith. Scientists can’t answer every question, and for those that they can, we put our faith in their conclusions.

There is a term for the logical fallacy presented here; it’s called an argument from authority. To make an argument from authority, you begin with the premise that a person or group of persons is in a position of such authority that their claims are above reproach. Arguments from authority are common in politics, “Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction.” In the school yard, “Because the teacher said so”, and in religion, “. . . by action of the Holy Spirit, the Pope is preserved from even the possibility of error”

The flaw in arguments from authority is that authority in itself is not proof. It is perfectly possible that an authoritative claim is true, but it is not necessarily true by virtue of its authority. We know for a fact that the authoritative claims leading up to the invasion of Iraq were false. We also know that the Christian church has made many authoritative claims throughout history that have later been proven false. An argument from authority must be accompanied by corroborating proofs to be considered compelling.

We can easily establish that religion is almost entirely an argument from authority. Christians believe that the Bible is the holy word of God. Why do they believe this? Because they have been told it is so, by the Bible no less. They accept as bedrock truth that Jesus is the son of God incarnate and having died on the cross, he rose from the dead and ascended bodily into Heaven. They believe these things because the Bible states them, and they have accepted the Bible as an authoritative source on its own merit.

Another name for an argument from authority is faith. What exactly is faith? According to dictionary.com, Faith is defined as:

  1. Confidence or trust in a person or thing
  2. Belief in God or in the doctrines or teachings of religion
  3. Belief in anything, as a code of ethics, standards of merit, etc

Confidence or trust in a person or thing is a textbook example of an argument from authority. It describes exactly what religious people do when they turn to the Bible, or the clergy for answers or guidance. It is precisely what the faithful do when they listen to a sermon.

The second definition, a belief in God or in the doctrines or teachings of religions, is self evident. It describes faith as the very essence of religiosity.

Without a doubt, religions all have a code of ethics, called morality, and a standard of merit. You must live up to this standard in order to receive your rewards in the afterlife.

The question we need to answer is; are atheists guilty of relying on arguments from authority, and do those arguments form the foundation of our world view? Are atheists relying on faith?

Let’s start with our first definition. Do atheists place their confidence or trust in persons or things? Without a doubt, we do. We have great confidence in the academic community, and the results they produce. Without the trust we place in experts, there would be very little we could know about our world.

What about belief in God or in the doctrines or teachings of religion? Let’s change the pronouns for the sake of fairness, and rephrase this as; a belief in someone or in the doctrines or teaching of an organization. Well, this could be applied to atheists, couldn’t it? After all, we place great stock in scientists, and what they have to say about the natural world.

As for the third definition, atheists do hold to a code of ethics. These ethics are normally based on naturalistic values, and they can vary from one person to another. But I think it’s fair to say that all atheists have a personal code of ethics they aspire to follow. A standard of merit could describe the scientific process. There is a clear standard that must be met in order to be considered valuable.

Another aspect of faith is a faith in natural processes. We have faith that the sun will rise tomorrow and that when we walk out our front doors, gravity will keep us from floating off into space. We have no way of knowing with absolute certainty that these things will hold true from one second to the next, but we behave as if they will. We put our faith in these constancies.

We come now to the core question; do these acts of faith constitute an argument from authority, and therefore, a logical fallacy? There is a distinct difference between the forms of faith practiced by atheists and the religious.

Christians, Jews, and Muslims all elevate the act of faith to a virtue. To believe in God on the authority of the claims made on his behalf is a holy act that will be rewarded at a later date. Faith is one thing all three creeds agree is required for salvation. You must accept these claims to be true without evidence, or face eternal punishment.

Atheists use faith as one more tool in their arsenal. We demand proof where it can be had, and we scrutinize any claim for validity. In order for a scientific claim to have merit, it must be reproducible, and capable of making predictions that can be verified. Even then, these claims must stand up to constant challenge. Faith is essential because there is no absolute certainty. We have no way of knowing that our senses are representing the world with 100% accuracy.

A theist’s faith is a dogmatic thing, based on claims of revealed truths that are beyond reproach. Their world view is static, and when information comes along to challenge that view, the information itself must be modified, or dismissed altogether. Their world model becomes a contorted pretzel of logical fallacies and deliberate distortions of fact.

An atheist’s faith is based on observation and corroboration. Our faith in the natural world is a malleable thing. It is composed of a constantly growing catalog of information. As new information calls old assumptions into question, they are modified or abandoned. We are atheists because we require that anything we learn fit our world model. If it does not, either the information or the model is flawed, and must be reassessed.

To describe atheism as a religion is a semantic trick that does not hold up to critical scrutiny. Atheism, as the name implies, is a lack of theism. It is a rejection of revealed truths, and a denial of dogma.

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Episode 005 May 4, 2008

Posted by exquisitetruth on May 3, 2008

Tony Ford and Jeff Pierce join Kevin to share their essays and thoughts on secular issues.
Tony shares his impressions after viewing Ben Steins Expelled.
Jeff treats us to his new audio series, Willy’s World, in which St. Willy, the patron of sex and religion shares his thoughts on circumcision.
Also, Tony shares an essay about childhood curiosity.
To close things out, we examine a new Refrigerator Haiku.

We introduce a new segment this week, called The Bible Says WHAT!?

This is our own version of bible study. We’ll look at some of the lesser known passages of the bible, and learn what the theists are not telling us about God’s will.

This week, we are looking at a contradiction. You know, those things they say don’t exist in the Bible. Our first verse is,


2 Kings 2:11

As they were walking along and talking together, suddenly a chariot of fire and horses of fire appeared and separated the two of them, and Elijah went up to heaven in a whirlwind.

Then, there’s,


John 3:13

No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man

Refrigerator Haiku

Through sound Mushrooms fly

Wild concrete garden harvest

Investigate green

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Episode 004 April 20, 2008

Posted by exquisitetruth on April 26, 2008

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How many sides does our coin have?

Posted by exquisitetruth on April 15, 2008

It appears that with the advent of Ben Stein’s new movie, Expelled, the “debate” over science and religion is reaching a fever-pitch. But the one thing that is missing is a clear definition of what the debate is really about.

The creationists have done their best to portray the disagreement as a black and white issue; one where there is one question, and only two possible answers. By doing so, they create the impression that any reasoned and fair debate should assign equal consideration to the opposing sides, and choose which of the two alternatives is more acceptable. Creationists conveniently ignore the real fact that disputing one claim does not inherently prove that your own is the only alternative. Nor does it prove that your own claims have equal validity.

Let’s consider an alternative. Suppose that I said that the evidence supporting scientists’ claims that the outer comets are made mostly of ice was suspect. Now, consider that I further put forth that these comets were, in fact, constructed of ice cream, and were a frosty treat sent from a distant alien race.

I could argue all day that nobody has ever seen these outer comets, let alone touched one, and been able to extract a sample for examination. I could even go so far as to raise questions about mass spectrometry, or dredge up some old assumptions about comets to prove that scientists keep changing their minds on the issue of comet construction. I might even suggest that the idea of great balls of ice getting into orbit is so unlikely as to be impossible, and suggest an intelligent force must be behind their astronomic positioning.

All these points, while varyingly valid (although specious), do nothing to further my own claim that the comets are frozen dairy treats. But by couching the debate in questions of either/or, I have created the false assumption that anything which takes away from one side must add weight to the other.

Our largest problem arises in the fact that this black/white, either/or format of debate lends itself perfectly to media coverage. With 24 hour new media saturating the market, journalists realize that they do not have the time to express complicated questions, nor does the average viewer have to stomach for nuanced choices. Much better is the solid, right/left format. Then viewers can absorb the news, and turn to their favorite pundit for their opinion.

Under such circumstances one only needs to appeal to the most tenuous of religiosity to make a scientific explanation of biological life untenable for most people.

Let’s consider for a moment what the creationist argument consists of.

  1. The world is far too complex to have happened accidentally; therefore natural selection is an inadequate explanation.
  2. People all over the world believe in God in one form of another; therefore to dismiss God as fiction would be to discredit the opinions of most living humans.
  3. Scientists have yet to close all of the gaps in the proposed evolutionary ladder, and still disagree on many of its finer points; therefore evolution is a failed theory, and must be discarded.
  4. If we have evolved from lower life forms, then we have no reason to act as anything other than animals.
  5. It is impossible to live a fulfilled life without some sense of accountability and reward from a greater power.

There are plenty of other points, and innumerable variations on the preceding arguments, but this is succinct collection of some of the more common ones.

The fact is that being incapable of grasping how natural select creates such complexity does not point to its impossibility, only your own limitations in understanding. This argument unvaryingly comes from people who have made a conscious decision not to understand the processes at hand. I will not even begin to present the scientific explanation behind natural selection; far too many people with a greater understanding than myself already done so. If you are interested in a detailed explanation, I suggest RichardDawkins.net. Furthermore, creationists reject the vast statistical challenges of natural selection, and replace it with one much greater. They choose to claim that natural life is so unlikely that it surely must be the result of an infinitely complex entity, living outside of time and causality.

An argument from numbers does nothing to validate their claims. For many centuries, virtually everyone believed that the Sun circled the Earth, and many people believe so to this day. This does not make it so, and no reasoning person would even give such claims consideration.

Science is a process. If we were to abandon that process every time a single experiment failed to explain a phenomenon in its entirety, there would be no science at all. To suggest that since science does not explain all of evolution, evolution should be dismissed is no different than saying that we should stop using computers because we do not fully understand the behavior and constructions of electrons at the quantum scale.

The argument that we need to be somehow separate from the rest of the animal kingdom in order to behave as humans is perhaps one of the most self deprecating arguments I have ever heard. I won’t even honor it with a response.

The need for a great purpose in one’s life is well known and understood. We all experience it; although some people believe the need justifies the fabrication.

Notice how none of these arguments do anything to strengthen their own claims. They aspire to cast doubt on evolution. The majority of them are specious, misrepresented, or arguments for an emotional response. To a one, they are dependent on a binary decision matrix. They only help to support the claimant’s position when that position is accepted as the only alternative.

Consider for a moment, French philosopher Blaise Pascal’s famous Pascal’s Gambit. Pascal argued that although God’s existence could not be proven, he could prove that belief in God was the logical wager. His argument went as so:

If there is a God, He is infinitely incomprehensible, since, having neither parts nor limits, He has no affinity to us. We are then incapable of knowing either what He is or if He is….

…”God is, or He is not.” But to which side shall we incline? Reason can decide nothing here. There is an infinite chaos which separated us. A game is being played at the extremity of this infinite distance where heads or tails will turn up. What will you wager? According to reason, you can do neither the one thing nor the other; according to reason, you can defend neither of the propositions.

Do not, then, reprove for error those who have made a choice; for you know nothing about it. “No, but I blame them for having made, not this choice, but a choice; for again both he who chooses heads and he who chooses tails are equally at fault, they are both in the wrong. The true course is not to wager at all.”

Yes; but you must wager. It is not optional. You are embarked. Which will you choose then? Let us see. Since you must choose, let us see which interests you least. You have two things to lose, the true and the good; and two things to stake, your reason and your will, your knowledge and your happiness; and your nature has two things to shun, error and misery. Your reason is no more shocked in choosing one rather than the other, since you must of necessity choose. This is one point settled. But your happiness? Let us weigh the gain and the loss in wagering that God is. Let us estimate these two chances. If you gain, you gain all; if you lose, you lose nothing. Wager, then, without hesitation that He is.

“That is very fine. Yes, I must wager; but I may perhaps wager too much.” Let us see. Since there is an equal risk of gain and of loss, if you had only to gain two lives, instead of one, you might still wager. But if there were three lives to gain, you would have to play (since you are under the necessity of playing), and you would be imprudent, when you are forced to play, not to chance your life to gain three at a game where there is an equal risk of loss and gain. But there is an eternity of life and happiness. And this being so, if there were an infinity of chances, of which one only would be for you, you would still be right in wagering one to win two, and you would act stupidly, being obliged to play, by refusing to stake one life against three at a game in which out of an infinity of chances there is one for you, if there were an infinity of an infinitely happy life to gain. But there is here an infinity of an infinitely happy life to gain, a chance of gain against a finite number of chances of loss, and what you stake is finite.

The problem with Pascal’s wager, is that he assumes only two possibilities; either the god he accepts exists, or there is none. If you consider his argument from the accurate assumption that there are hundreds of variations of God to believe in, and several dozen different gods to choose from, it becomes quickly apparent that if all but one of these gods must be false, the logical conclusion is that they all are false.

Creating a false dichotomy is no way to prove your point. When you consider the arguments of creationists within the context of multiple alternatives, it falls apart of its own accord. If the creation argument were in any way valid, it could stand on its own. Clearly, science does not advance itself by casting doubt on religion. Were religion a fraction as well founded as the scientific principal, they would not need to tilt at the windmills of modern learning.

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Something a little off subject

Posted by exquisitetruth on April 13, 2008

While this really has nothing to do with The Exquisite Truth, I feel compelled to go off subject for just a moment.

Last night, my wife Christina and I joined some friends at 3rd & Lindsley, here in Nashville. We saw an unbelievable musician, Martin Sexton. Since I can’t say enough good things about this guy, let me just say that it was one of the best performances I have ever seen. He was completely mesmerizing.

I can’t really decide if Martin’s performance made up for the complete torment that was the 3rd & Lindsley. Not only is it small and cramped, but I strongly suspect that the fire marshal might have something to say about the number of tables and chairs they’ve managed to cram into the place. Any time you needed to get up, which was pretty often if you are a smoker (I’ll never understand non-smoking bars, it seems like banning forks at a buffet), at least three people needed file out ahead of you to make room. Once you managed to squirm out of your seat, the real surprise came; the establishment has just one toilet. I don’t mean that there is only one toilet in the men’s room, I mean there was one toilet for everyone. You can only imagine what this situation was like, after a couple hundred people were sharing it for a few hours.

The next disappointment came when we made the mistake of ordering dinner. We order a Cajun chicken alfredo. Honestly, I have had better pasta from Lean Cuisine. There is no doubt in my mind that the cook pulled the cardboard cover off my meal after microwaving it.

So, overall, we were cramped, hot, hygienically challenged, gastricly challenged, and suffering from nicotine withdrawals. Despite all of this, Martin Sexton was captivating.

In summation, if you ever get a chance to hear Martin Sexton, do not miss it. But if that chance is at the 3rd & Lindsley, make sure to use the bathroom, and get something to eat before you get there. Also, if you are in the slightest bit claustrophobic, you may want to wait to see where he’ll play next.

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Episode 003 April 13, 2008

Posted by exquisitetruth on April 13, 2008

We must be getting better; Episode 003 is done days ahead of schedule. This is our best episode to date. There’s lots of spirited debate, and the refrigerator haiku is proving to be a really fun segment. You have to listen to our vintage Thomas Jefferson recording, it’s an historical treasure.

Thaddeus fills in for Vania, who is out of town again this week. Jeff Pierce joins Kevin and Thaddeus for a second week. A discussion about bio-fuels morphs into a debate on universal health care. We talk about a quote from Thomas Jefferson, and we examine a new Refrigerator Haiku.

Thomas Jefferson Quote

“I rarely waste time in reading theological subjects… Ridicule is the only weapon that can be used against such unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. If it could be understood it would not answer their purpose. Their security is in their faculty of shedding darkness, like the scuttle-fish, thro’ the element in which they move, and making it impenetrable to the eye of a pursuing enemy, and there they will sulk.”

Listen to Thomas Jefferson read this quote in our “historical” recording.

Refrigerator Haiku

Purple Cicada
Cold spring morning grass like snow
Thunder in my dreams

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Episode 002 - March, 30, 2008

Posted by exquisitetruth on April 13, 2008

Thaddeus, a musician and producer from Nashville, TN, fills in for Vania, who is out of town this week. Jeff Pierce joins Kevin and Thaddeus to discuss his own spiritual journey. We discuss the death of Arthur C. Clarke, the health risks of crucifixion and self flagellation, and the evolution of religious dogma. Also, we introduce a new segment titled “Refrigerator Haikus.” Examine the haiku below, and join us on the forums to tell us what you greater significance you think is buried in its text.

Jeff, a musician from Chicago, IL (and Kevin’s brother), explains his personal experiences in exploring Buddhism, and Taoism, by way of Christianity. He describes the questions and discoveries that helped him come to terms with the dogma of traditional religions.

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Refrigerator Haiku

Refrigerators
The television melted
An insect journey

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Episode 0001 is complete and available for download.

Posted by exquisitetruth on April 13, 2008

Thaddeus Schwartz joins Kevin and Vania this week to discuss current events from a secularist’s perspective.

Thaddeus, a construction manager and musician from Nashville, TN, explains his personal experiences in becoming an agnostic atheist. He describes the questions and discoveries that helped him develop his critical thinking skills. If you are interested hearing some of Thaddeus’ music, here are a few tracks he has shared especially for our listeners.

Has Anyone Seen My Pic?
The Last Song

This was a really fun episode to record. The discussion became pretty heated at times, but in the end, I think everyone left as friends.

In particular, the segment in which Thaddeus brought up some comments in a blog post by Vania sparked off quite debate over where you draw the line between faith and fact.

Vania brought up an interesting article on the latest regulations from the EPA, and set off a discussion on the value of human life, and pragmatism.

In addition, we talk about the Templeton Prize and its implications to science.

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